HowwwwL wrote: I love using Hero Lab. Any reasons, or it's just the one you tried first? I've tried the demo of herolab, but the price tag (30 for the program, 10 for the apg, 10 for ultimate magic, 10 for ultimate combat and like 40 dollars for all the splats.) like 100 dollars all told make me feel like I'm buying the books all over again, vs pcgens price tag of free or the same things. With a little added patience as its all volunteer. By the looks of the demo though you get full functionality from the feats and spells in herolab vs cliff's note versions in pcgen. Oh and the full support of PFS in the Herolab program is awesomesauce.

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HowwwwL wrote: I love using Hero Lab. Any reasons, or it's just the one you tried first? I've tried the demo of herolab, but the price tag (30 for the program, 10 for the apg, 10 for ultimate magic, 10 for ultimate combat and like 40 dollars for all the splats.) like 100 dollars all told make me feel like I'm buying the books all over again, vs pcgens price tag of free or the same things. With a little added patience as its all volunteer. Download Toca Race Driver 3 Pc Ita Gratis. By the looks of the demo though you get full functionality from the feats and spells in herolab vs cliff's note versions in pcgen.

Oh and the full support of PFS in the Herolab program is awesomesauce. It's the officially supported product, which is nice (not essential, but nice). The interface is intuitive and allows me to create detailed NPCs (which I love to have rather than abbreviated versions) in no time.

As for the price tag, buy it over time. Nothing says you have to buy everything at once any more than you must buy every rulebook all at once. I don't consider it buying the books again. I'm buying a time-saving tool. (I also like having a PDF version of a physical book b/c when I'm brainstorming while watching TV, I don't have to bring my library anymore.

-- Same concept/benefit.) I also don't see it as cost-prohibitive. That initial $30 buys you a lot. Also, when I buy a new video-game, I'm shelling out $50-$60 a pop. Sometimes, that's a game with 40+ hours of content/play time, but typically, it's 8-10.

In comparison, my Hero Lab will get used for the entire life that I'm playing Pathfinder -- and that's already measured in years, not just hours. I was wondering what you folks think of each program. Hero Lab has become my go-to tool for managing my players' character and for constructing NPCs.

It runs quickly and smoothly. The interface is nice. Bugs are quickly squashed and updates come often (but not too often). The base package comes with lots of goodies, but the add-on packages are real timesavers and worth every penny.

The editor is relatively easy to use (with a small learning curve) and custom content is easily distributed to players. Also, it supports multiple game systems (I also have licenses for Savage Worlds and Mutants & Masterminds 3e). Lastly, it's officially sanctioned by Paizo, which means that all the deities and other IP are already in there. PCGen, in my experience from a couple years ago, clunky (java-based) with a slow interface. It was difficult to wrangle at times and the editor left me scratching my head more often than not. Bellas Durmientes 2001 Gmc there.

Also, content is slow to get added. I actually prefer PC Gen (although I use Combat Manager for Initiative tracking, etc.), though in part it's a philosophical thing as I dislike Hero Lab's DRM philosophy and decided I no longer wish to support the product (the license activation in my personal experience is a PITA. That's my personal decision and there are threads you can search for if you wish to see more information about it and arguments on all sides; I have no interest in starting an argument about DRM vs. And will not discuss it further here, as past experience shows trying to do so will end in tears. I have used both programs, with the caveat that I have used Hero Lab primarily for Mutants and Masterminds (though I've checked out the Pathfinder generator in demo mode since I won't shell out the additional $20 to unlock Pathfinder, since I unlocked M&M on purchase). General thoughts: PC Gen - Versatile generator can allow you to create any character or monster, including hit-die increased, templated, classed monster, etc. - Can customize your own datasets (and improvements in the LST editors are coming down the line) - Can output your character sheet in a number of styles and statblocks - It's free - Staff are slow to update but friendly and responsive - Cross platform support (but this comes with the downside that it's Java-based for this reason and can be slow, although you can play with your memory settings to mitigate this) - GUI is clunky, although the staff are working on improvements for future updates.